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KIRK FRANKLIN: There's always the boy who has the big brother who has the magazine under his bed. That's how it starts. So the first time I ever saw one, I was around 8 or 9. I saw my first magazine, and from there I was addicted.
SCOTT ROSS: Did you bring that into the marriage?
KIRK FRANKLIN: Yes, I did.
SCOTT ROSS: Was she aware of it?
KIRK FRANKLIN: Not the first year but the second year.
SCOTT ROSS: (to Tammy) When did you find out?
TAMMY FRANKLIN (Kirk's wife): Once he realized that he was having problems, he just came to me and he said-
KIRK FRANKLIN: - No, no, no, Baby. Let's aim to make it more real. Let's aim to keep it real. I tried to when we got married because I still had those single male ways.
TAMMY FRANKLIN: I would say in our second year of marriage he tried to implement it into our marriage -- 'Watch this with me, honey.' It made me feel dirty. It didn't make our intimacy sacred. I would say, 'I'm not watching.' I would get angry. 'I'm not watching that with you.'
SCOTT ROSS (reporting): Kirk's secret life ran amuck while he traveled to promote his latest releases. At home Tammy had no idea of the extent of Kirk's problem.
TAMMY FRANKLIN: I didn't see any evidence that he was doing it at home. He knew how I felt about it so…
KIRK FRANKLIN: But I was.
TAMMY FRANKLIN: …I would think that he was hiding it from me.
SCOTT ROSS: So you had a secret life?
KIRK FRANKLIN: Yeah, I was doing it at home. When she was asleep, I would go upstairs.
SCOTT ROSS: How did you finally get to a point where this thing has got to be dealt with?
KIRK FRANKLIN: We were in Los Angeles. We were in the bed that morning in the hotel, and we were lying there, and I said, 'Baby, I need to tell you something. I'm struggling with pornography. I mean, it is a struggle, and I have a problem with pornography. It's a problem.'
SCOTT ROSS: And your response, Tammy?
TAMMY FRANKLIN: My response was to immediately be sensitive. What blessed me was he did look at it as a problem. A lot of guys, it's normal for a man-
SCOTT ROSS: -It's a man thing.
TAMMY FRANKLIN: Yeah, it's a man thing. The fact that he wasn't coming to me like that blessed me so that I just began to pray for him consistently. I knew that I wanted him to know that this is something I wanted to work through.
SCOTT ROSS: Together?
TAMMY FRANKLIN: Together.
KIRK FRANKLIN: That's what so weird about porn. You have different people even in the Body feeling differently about it. There are some Christian men I know who say, 'I'd rather do that than cheat on my wife.' I've had to shed light on, 'Dude, 'We're cheating on our wives because whatever a man thinketh, so is he'.
SCOTT ROSS: You have a woman now who's willing to walk it through with you. What about the people who are in it now? You are leaving this secret life. You're scared to death somebody will find out about it.
KIRK
FRANKLIN: It's weird because you're talking about the dude
who was the minister of music at a church when I was 11. I have
to check myself because there's an anger that rises up in me.
I get evangelically ticked off by the fact that I wished somebody
would have taught me a long time ago about the repercussions of
sex and flesh and lust and vanity and pride and ego. I wished
somebody would have been holding my little behind accountable
years ago. But let me tell you what happens to the gifted. The
gifted in the church slip right through.
SCOTT ROSS: Why?
KIRK FRANKLIN: Because the gifted are able to naturally and emotionally control the atmosphere of the service.
SCOTT ROSS: So we relate to you based on the gift rather than the man?
KIRK FRANKLIN: There you go, brother. No one asks the minister of music whether he's killing when everyone is crying and speaking in tongues. Nobody asks him, 'Are you going home tonight? How's your marriage? What's going on with you and your wife?' Nobody's holding the gifted accountable in the Body.
SCOTT ROSS (reporting): Even though Kirk's wife knew about his problem and prayed for him, no one held him accountable. That is until he met Pastor Tony Evans, a man who wasn't dazzled by Kirk's celebrity.
KIRK FRANKLIN: When I first went to his church, it was 1998, and I had an album out called Stomp. I was traveling to Dublin, Ireland, doing songs with Bono, I was getting flowers from Arsenio Hall, I was getting letters from Mike Tyson, I was hanging out with Denzel and all these big time celebrities, and I was walking on a TV pilot for ABC.
SCOTT ROSS: I'm impressed, man! I didn't realize you were that famous.
KIRK FRANKLIN: You know it's all that garbage. None of that junk you can take to heaven, but I was bathing in it. And a lot of my Christian community was bathing in it with me.
SCOTT ROSS (reporting): But when Kirk and his family started attending Pastor Evan's church, Kirk didn't receive the same treatment he was accustomed to.
TONY EVANS: You come here the same way everyone comes here-through the Cross. At the Cross the ground is very level, so you're treated like everyone else. We recognize your gifts. We honor people. The Bible says to give honor where honor is due. But there's only one celebrity. That's Jesus Christ.
KIRK FRANKLIN: But Tony Evans, he didn't care who I was. If I didn't get there in enough time, I would sit where everybody else sat. I got mad at it, but then there was something that was pulling me to it. I was crying out to be discipled. I called him one night and told him that I needed help, I have a problem.
TONY EVANS: Since the sexual area so defines men and is so accessible to men, it's easily reached after as a defining point. It has to do with who you are and if you're really a man, all of this wrong definition. Once we can clarify a person's identification in Christ, and once we can help them to understand how to walk in the Spirit, they can discover that the law of the Spirit is indeed greater than the law of the flesh.
SCOTT ROSS (reporting): Kirk told Pastor Evans everything. In turn, this helped Kirk be honest with the people who mattered most in his life.
SCOTT ROSS: (to Kirk) And that started the journey to healing with Tammy.
(to Tammy): You saw the change in the man?
TAMMY FRANKLIN: Definitely.
SCOTT ROSS: And he's clean now?
TAMMY FRANKLIN: (half serious) You clean?
KIRK FRANKLIN: Four years.
SCOTT ROSS: So people can get free, but they have to admit they have the problem and they have to come clean with somebody who'll hold them accountable.
TAMMY FRANKLIN: There's a process.
KIRK FRANKLIN: If I have been set free from this one, anybody can be set free because I questioned for years whether I could be set free. Dude, I was doing albums, albums that people were getting blessed by, and I was struggling with pornography. "Why We Sing" came out in '93, and I was struggling with pornography. Stomp came out in '97, and I was struggling with pornography. These albums God was speaking through and everyone was getting their victory except for me. I used to question and almost began to wonder, What's going on? What was happening, and this might help people: my victory didn't come by my emotional experience; my victory came through truth. When I was taught truth, that's when I got my freedom.
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